With Lamma Jim's bankroll diminishing I decided to go round and see if I could share any advice after having ground out a sizeable chunk of my own bankroll playing 10NL.
Obviously anyone offering poker advice in real games is setting themselves up for a fall. With poker tracker set up and an aborted attempt to set up Gametime+ stats display we got down to it. Some initial agression including firing a second bullet with a missed AK on a Qxx board ensured an initial up-turn and we were soon $2 to the good. Then this hand happened.
We raised with 88 from early position firing a 0.40c raise. A tight aggressive player in the small blind flat-called and the loose aggressive Big Blind pushed for 2.80. We were faced with the decision of having to call 2.40 for the prospect of winning 3.60 but with another tight player having to act behind us who had around 8.80 stack remaining.
The thinking was that we may be pretty much in line with the pushing range of the loose aggressive player and that pot odds weighted us towards a call. The tight player having not reraised I put on a pair - maybe 22-TT. We opted to reraise to $5 hoping the aggression would fold out the tight player and leave us to hopefully race with AK for pot which included some dead money. The tight player took a long time deciding and then opted to just call.
The flop was AQ8 giving us trips. The tight player then shoved leaving us an easy call. Turn brought a 9 and river a 7.
The tight player flipped over trip 9s to snatch the side-pot from us and then suprise suprise the loose aggressive player showed pocket Queens to take the main pot. Set over set over setted. Ouch. I calculate that is likely to happen once in every 1,600 times you flop a set. Oh well you lose to a set 1 in 40 times then why not get two out of the way in one fell swoop, eh.
Undaunted we bought back in for the max and settled down to replenishing Lucky Jim's bankroll. We managed to do that over the course of three big hands.
We raised AQs on the button and got a caller from the blinds. We hit the flush draw and gutshot straight draw against a calling station. He checked it too us and him being so passive and 'cally' we opted to just check behind on a KJx flop and try and hit one of our many outs. The turn didn't help but he checked it down again. Again we opted to check behind and see the river. The river diamond gave us the nuts and he checks it to us. We bet 3/4 pot and he then puts us allin. We debate whether to fist pump or call or call and then fist-pump and opt for the latter. He reveals his cunningly played pocket Kings for trips. Not only did he manage to give us every chance to draw out on him he decides to shove against us folding out pretty much every hand that he beats and ensuring a call from all hands that beat him. The exact opposite of what he should have done. Hurrah for us.
We take another decent pot against a middling short stack when we limp A3 from the big blind and catch. We bet out with our bottom pair and get our pot-sized bet called. A second 3 hits and we bet out again and get called. Shove on the river for 3.50 is surprisingly called and we take down a nice pot.
The third hand involved another medium stack. Another limped pot and we hit top and bottom pair on a very drawy flop. We bet pot and get a caller from a guy who had previously limped. He bets out for a $1 and we put him allin for his last $4. He calls and shows QQ and we take it down.
A $4 winning session despite the bad start that seems to be plagueing me at the moment. Not much of a dent in his losses but a reminder of how patient you have to be in grinding out results at 10NL.
Glad to see Deadly returns to form and begins erasing the losses as he dusts of the cobwebs from his great poker mind. *coughs*
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I don't see why you are raising or even calling pf with the 88 there against two players. Good that you hit the set and unlucky with the result but just a lot that can beat you. In the long run I can't see that being a profitable play.
Its a very tricky hand and afterwards I reassessed and I agree a fold here was the best play.
But against a push from a very loose aggressive short stack. He has a good squeezing opportunity here, and is capable of making a bluff. We are level with a range of pair and AK which I think is reasonable for him and with money in the pot there are arguments for a call.
For the tight player that has standard ABC stats I think his range is quite narrow for a flat call. Maybe AQ or TT-22. I thought a reraise would fold out most of his range leaving a match up against equal ranges.
After we set there is no decision to make.
Do you disagree with my ranges for either player?
I can't disagree as you had the stats etc on the guys. The Shortstacker in the BB could have lost down to that level and just not rebought?
There's an argument for a call no doubt, just I don't see a lot of races won with 88 or lower.
I've posted it on Bet the Pot forum for some feedback as I think there are two decisions both of which are quite close.
For the short stack push I've put him on a range rightly or wrongly and on that range I have the odds to call - I'm not overly confident in my read though and you may be right as while AK may well push here and decent pairs I may be opening his range up too much given that two tightish players have raised and flat called. An AK, 99 and lets say AQs to represent a little bit of bluffing range that would still be racing with us.
For the ABC player we have a different dilemma. I think we are ahead of his range after his flat call but are likely to only see action from the top part of his range eg TT, 99 and possibly even JJ. Would a flat call be better in tempting a call from the lower part of his range? Or would a push be the best play to try and fold his entire range. Very tricky decision I think. The fact that he was willing to get it allin despite an ace and a queen flopping suggests that he wouldn't have laid it down to a push. Or was he just taking advantage of the flopped Ace in the hope I would lay down a hand like TT?
I know, I know its 10NL!
Lets see what the (semi) pros say.
Your are right. At 10NL most play is straightforward. My recommendation would be to go all-in every hand and change tables every 10 hands or so :-)
First reply from my post. I gave the sb range as AQ TT-22 and the BB AQs+ AK, any pair, some bluffs
First reply was as follows:
"Your range for SB seems OK. Your range for BB seems a bit tight as he will probably shove AT+ for sure, maybe any A, any pair and some big Ks and random bluffs.
Your play is to isolate BB, so I would raise. It doesn't really matter how much as you will pot commit yourself anyway. I usually just min-raise in spots like this."
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